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Conservatives Fuck England up the Arse (and don't even give it the reach around)


By Toque - Posted on 14 February 2010

Today's Sunday Times confirms the Tory u-turn on their long-standing policy of English Votes on English Laws. Ken Clarke's fudge, dubbed 'English Pauses on English Clauses', is to be adopted by the incoming Cameron government.

Scottish MPs will still be able to vote on issues that affect only England under a Tory government, despite David Cameron’s vow to end the anomaly.

Members with constituencies north of the border would not be banned from voting at the crucial second and third readings of bills on English-only legislation.

As Malcolm Rifkind noted, Ken Clarke's solution would not have prevented those infamous West Lothian complaints:

By leaving the Second Reading to be voted on by all MPs this will mean that legislation that only applies to England could receive a Second Reading and be approved in principle even if it was unacceptable to a majority of MPs representing English constituencies. Thus the legislation on tuition fees, foundation hospitals or fox hunting would still have been approved.

David Cameron, who has consistently accused Labour of failing to address the West Lothian Question, and who has stated that such failure puts the Union at risk, should now expect the same accusations leveled at him. He has reneged on a promise made not only by him but also by the three Tory leaders before him (Hague, IDS and Howard).

Far too much of our tax pays for bureaucracy – and under Labour it is running wild. We have new Parliaments for Scotland and Wales, new regional development agencies and a host of quangos stuffed with Labour politicians. And for what? — David Cameron, Oxford Journal, 19 May 2000

Cameron previously dismissed the 1998 round of devolution as bureaucracy, but now he falls over himself to pander to the sensibilities of Scottish and Welsh home-rulers. He will use the same 'bureaucracy and cost' argument against calls for an English parliament and democracy in England. But Cameron is a man of few, if any, political convictions. He is a man of political expedience who sways easily with public opinion. It is up to us to hold him to the wind, to make good on his promise of preventing Scottish MPs meddling in English issues by creating a de facto English Parliament within the Union Parliament. The best way to do that is to inform your Tory candidate that you will not be voting Conservative because of this decision, and to vote for English Votes on English Laws. Do it today.

David Cameron has also promised a ‘great amount of money for Scotland’s great needs’. That's nice. What a great guy. It must be super to be able to go up to the Scottish Conference and give positive messages about funding and protecting Scottish MPs' privileged voting rights. I expect we in England will have to wait until the English Conservative Conference to hear what promises he makes England...Oh wait....There is no English Conference (nor even English representation at the UK Conference) because the Tories are institutionally racist. Still, at least we know, thanks to news reports from Scotland, that English nationhood will be enshrined in the constitution by a simple procedural change to the Westminster voting system in the "first few weeks" of a Conservative government.

Seriously, can this really be their answer to the English Question?

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Cameron may as well refrain from campaigning in England. His only necessary statement is "don't vote for me!"

Does anybody now honestly believe he'll get rid of the reviled regions in England?

Never trust the Tories.

But if we cannot vote for the Tories, then who do we vote for? The problem is that Cameron will see no problem in campaigning for England despite this, and will no doubt gain the majority of his votes here. Will a hung parliament help or hinder?

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I think a hung parliament - or a minority Tory government - puts the West Lothian Question right at the heart of British politics, or British anti-politics.

Cameron has realised what the CEP have told the Tories all along: that English Votes on English Laws is not simple; that it requires a scrapping of the Barnett Formula; that it requires Whitehall reorganisation; that it creates farcical divisions in Parliamentary procedure, or requires legislation to be drafted as either English only or English and Welsh only, and; that it undermines our Union Parliament and with it our sense of Britishness.

We told them that time and time again. We sent them literature in the post highlighting the difficulties. Yet still they chose to ignore the truth of the matter and lied to the electorate about English Votes on English Laws.

It doesn't matter who you vote for, just that you tell your local Conservative that this issue has lost them your vote. In my opinion Cameron deserves to lose this election for ten years of deceit, it is only a defeat like that which will make them see that an English parliament is the answer.

David Cameron, who has consistently accused Labour of failing to address the West Lothian Question, and who has stated that such failure puts the Union at risk, should now expect the same accusations leveled at him. He has reneged on a promise made not only by him but also by the three Tory leaders before him (Hague, IDS and Howard).

He has reneged on all his major promises. He makes policy on the run and tailors it to what the opinion polls is telling him is a good thing at the time. He is a walking disaster and has split the Conservative Party into Cameron-Clarke Blair Clones and the true Conservatives.

None of the big three parties can now be trusted because their leadership can't be trusted.

Frankly, I don't give a stuff about the West Lothian Question which was asked from a Scottish perspective by a Scottish MP. Tam Dalyel was whining about not being able to vote on Scottish matters while absurdly still being able to vote on English matters. He wasn't looking to give up his interference in England.

The English Question is about England having its own executive and First Minister.

David Dameron said he didn't want to be Prime Minister of only England, yet he has promised that one of the first things he would do if he becomes Prime Minister is to swiftly leg-it to Scotland for a bit of MacArselicking with Scotland's First Minister and the SNP to see if he can strenghthen the powers of the Scottish Parliament.

No such hope for England though. We are unworthy of our own parliament and First Minister.

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I understand where you are coming from Stephen, but you should give a stuff about the West Lothian Question.

Not that it makes a great deal of difference but the phrase "West Lothian Question" was coined by an Englishman, Enoch Powell, sitting for a Northern Irish seat.

The West Lothian Question is not the 'English Question', it is the 'British Question', and it is the intractable question of British politics. As Enoch Powell pointed out, the key to the success of devolution is not Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland, it is England.

If there is no Parliamentary answer to the West Lothian Question, and the Conservatives now appear to believe that there is not, then the West Lothian Question - which is the British Question and the Union Question - becomes the English Question. It is the extent to which the English are prepared to tolerate outside interference on English domestic matters, by MPs from the devolved home nations, that determines whether an asymmetrically devolved Union can work. The Union rests upon English acquiescence within a constitution that is "manifestly unfair" - in the words of William Hague - to England.

For the most part the English are benign, and the Tories are gambling on the fact we will remain so. It's a gamble. And it's a gamble that could be damaging to their ability to wield power. So much will rest on the electoral arithmetic.

The Doomsday scenario is an overall Tory majority in England, only one Tory MPs in Scotland, and a Labour Government in the UK.

You've always thought there was a point to the English Democrats - I would suggest that if there is, then this is their time. Perhaps counter-intuitively it is the Tories that the EDP should be seeking to inflict the most damage on.

I see on the Power 2010 charts - EVoEL has mysteriously fallen to 6th place.

Although I despise the original fit up where the cause for an English Parliament was morphed into EVoEL, I do recognise the political imperative in getting this proposal safely into the top 5 - there to stick in the throats of every potential MP...

There has obviously been some chicanery with the voting patterns as all of a sudden the reform of the House of Lords has leapfrogged EVoEL....

Do you reckon it has something to do with the Campaign for the English Regions and the request to their repoters to support that amendment - or could it be the foot soldiers of the parties queerying the pitch?

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No, this time it was Unlock Democracy (see Scottish Votes on English Laws)

EVoEL was sent out on Facebook to many English groups a few hours before voting closed and several hundred votes came in at the right time.

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